More anonymous commentary

Anonymous wrote:

I just found your web site while searching for links to heliport information. As a member of the "enemy camp" I find this site a bit distressing. Certainly my experiences in NYC are that it, like Chicago where I reside, is a noisy place. With the sounds of cars honking, buses, trucks, sirens, etc. how can you possibly hear the helicopters?That being said, I have to think back to New Orleans after Katrina when the citizens were happy to see helicopters hovering over their homes to rescue them. If you chase them all away, who will be there to save you when things go terribly wrong?

Anonymous, thanks for taking the time to share your sentiments with us. We agree, that like Chicago, NYC is generally loud. You will not find, however, pervasive sirens and horns before dawn on a consistent basis. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for helicopter noise. If this were to become the case however, there are "quality of life" statutes currently in force, in NYC to deal with most types of pervasive noise pollution, especially during the hours when most people are at home and trying to sleep. Once again, not the case when it comes to helicopter generated noise pollution. Helicopter noise is immune to these statutes because the FAA preempts anything that the City could legislate to address helicopter noise.

With respect to your comments re: New Orleans and Katrina, apparently you did not spend much time reading what we are attempting to accomplish with this site. Military, police, emergency and even private corporate helicopter traffic is not what we are intending to curtail. Indeed if the helicopter traffic over Manhattan were limited to the above reference categories, there would most likely be no issue at all. The real offenders are the tourist helicopters and the news media helicopters. Those, my dear Anonymous, are the ones that we say, must go.

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By Turbo On 9.16.2008 At 3:50 PM

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The following message was recently submitted through the "comments" section of the site:


These helicopters MUST be allowed to continue flight. They perhaps can
try to fly a bit further over the east river and/or hudson, but a helicopter
free NYC? Are you nuts? You are forgetting the jobs and income these business
bring into the area. Pilots, aviation mechanics, sightseeing business, etc.



What is much worse is the cars you drive. I bet you are here
complaining about helicopter noise but routinely jump in your car and drive
around. That is MUCH worse! How am I suppose to enjoy my outdoor meal at a
Manhattan cafe with outdoor seating with your damn car idleing [sic] at a red
light next to me? Walk, or take the subway!

I fly my Cessna up and down the hudson at least once a month and will
continue to due so. I fly on the east side heading north, and the west side
coming back. I do not overfly any buildings and always try to avoid overflying
residential areas at a low altitude to help with noise abatement. All pilots
should be doing the same. However, helicopters can be loud when landing and
taking off at a heliport, but I'm sorry... That's the price you pay for living
in the big city. I see other's comments about the noise ruining their "peaceful
enjoyment"... Hello! This is Manhattan! If you want a peaceful quiet place, move
to the mountains of West Virginia.



Thank you for your point of view, anonymous commentator. As you have deduced, the organizers of this site, as well as the signatories of the petition disagree with most of what you have written. The revenue and jobs related to the helicopter tourism are a small price to pay for the residents of the NYC area, as a whole, to be rid of the nuisance of helicopter noise. Although tourism is one of NYC's largest revenue generators, the sightseeing flights are an extremely small portion. It isn't like there are hordes of helicopter mechanics that would be out of business either. Last time I checked, there are 4 international airports in the area. Air traffic will always be operating. In fact, your idea of over the rivers, isn't a bad one. If only all helicopter traffic really would operate over the rivers. Unfortunately this isn't the case.

I'm not really sure how you are drawing a corollary between driving cars and flying helicopters, but as you most likely are aware, the majority of Manahattanites do not own or drive cars. So you are really preaching to the choir with your car example. What's more, is that although you maybe annoyed by cars when out in public, you will never experience the overpowering noise of a car engine hovering over your home in the early hours of the morning, making your entire room shake. If by some chance that ever did occur, at least there are laws in place for you to do something about it. When noise generated by auto traffic does encroach on living standards, there are statutes on the books that allow citations to be issued to the offending vehicle operators. Not the case with air traffic.

As far as you flying your Cessna up and down the rivers and avoiding low altitude over residential areas, if all pilots would do the same, there wouldn't even be an issue. Frankly we wish that all pilots would have the same courtesy. The problem arises when a person spends well over 1 million dollars on their home, and then cannot enjoy it because there is a tourist helipad next door. Even if a person isn't near the helipad, the media helicopters hover, and hover, and hover relentlessly. Why does there constantly need to be a helicopter hovering over a bridge monitoring traffic, when there are hundreds of fixed cameras doing the same? Manhattan will never be a "quiet peaceful" place, as you say. But residents tormented by helicopter noise should definitely be able to have some recourse, the same way that people tormented by loud garbage trucks, barking dogs, night clubs and car alarms do.

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By Turbo On 9.05.2008 At 1:18 PM